Queen Cutlery History
Complete Guide to Queen and Schatt & Morgan Knives and History
Queen Cutlery History is a comprehensive, informative resource for anyone interested in Queen City Cutlery Company and its successor, Queen Cutlery Company. In addition the website features information on the related companies, Schatt & Morgan and the Dollar Knife Company. For the first time, knife collectors and historians have access to a knowledge bank of knife photos and descriptions, historical documents, catalogs and articles related to these legendary cornerstones of the American cutlery industry. Our only focus is on knives made in the USA.
In 2018, having produced high quality cutlery using traditional methods for 96 years, Queen Cutlery closed its doors for good. The curators of this website, David Clark, Linda and Fred Fisher and Bob Welch, had previously served as the Queen Cutlery Historical Committee and are now joined by Carl Bradshaw. We are supported in this effort by knowledgable Queen and Schatt & Morgan collectors from across the USA. The Daniels Family, last owners of the company have graciously donated all related historical documents from the old Queen website. We are grateful to Jan Carter, of iknifecollector.com for contributing the web domain.
⇒ We have looked back into the Historical Knife Spotlight Archive to focus on an article about the Queen # 44 Short Frame Folding Hunters. Previous Spotlight articles can be found in the Spotlight Archive. The entire collection of 2020’s Historical Knife Spotlights are now available in articles for you to check out and download.
⇒ All new Collector Questions & Comments appear here on the home page.
⇒ The Tang Stamp Guide has been updated yet again, to version 9 (October, 2023) – and now contains details on 101 stamps and markings! The guide also includes a supplement with the stamps used on hatchets, razors and scissors. Additionally, the earlier supplement on Dollar Knives, Robeson and Tuna Valley knives is also included. We welcome your questions, comments and suggestions. Contact us here.
Historical Knife Spotlight
Our first Knife Spotlight of the new year is aimed at Queen Cutlery’s # 44 short-frame folding hunter. As you will see, the short frame # 44 was created by Queen to save a big order, and there is a bit of a story to it.
Queen introduced the # 44 “Heavy Duty Big Pocket Knife”, also referred to as a folding hunter, in their 1954 catalog. The style and frame are essentially the same as the # 39 which had been launched in 1952. While # 39 was a two-blade folding hunter, # 44 had just one big saber-ground clip blade. Both knives measured 5 1/4 inches, closed length. Both were big, heavy knives suitable for use by hunters.
Pattern # 44 continued to appear in Queen catalogs through the 1950’s, ’60’s and into the ’70’s. In the 1972-1978 catalog 50, it is also present and is described as having “Queen Stag” handles. You may interpret this to be what’s commonly known as imitation Winterbottom bone. Import restrictions on foreign-sourced bone and increased demand for bone dust from other industries put pressure on the Winterbottom Bone Company such that they sold out to one of their customers in 1968. These factors and the associated cost increases led Queen Cutlery to transition to injected molded Delrin plastic handles (aka. Imitation Winterbottom bone) in the 1970’s. Starting with the release of the 1980 catalog Queen began referring to these handles as “Delrin Stag”.
The 1980 catalog showcased another change to the # 44 folding hunter. It
became a lockback knife, designated # 44L, and was described as having Delrin Stag handles. By 1995 it had been re-designed as a button lock, pattern # 44B. The last appearance of #44B as a 5 1/4 inch folding hunter was in the 1999 catalog.
So, with this background information in mind, let’s move on the the # 44 short frame. We have noted the Winterbottom Bone Co. was sold off in the late 1960’s. This event and the increased cost of the bone handles led Queen to start buying imitation Winterbottom bone handles from the Rogers Corporation. In 1984, one of Queen’s cutlery dealers, who’s name we’ve forgotten, approached the factory to commission a limited run of traditional # 44’s but with genuine Winterbottom bone handles. Queen did have some leftover stock of Winterbottom bone but when they checked inventory they discovered the slabs were too short to fit onto the 5 1/4 inch frame of # 44. This dilemma meant they might lose out on a significant sale.
Rather than pass up this order, Queen’s management exhibited a “can-do” attitude and proposed a solution. It turns out the bone handles in stock would almost fit the # 44 and they would fit if the knife were made just 1/8 inch shorter. To make this work they had to shorten the frame by 1/8 inch and, with the dealer’s agreement, they went ahead and did so.
The Queen # 44 short from was made in
just one production run during 1984. A few hundred were made – perhaps as many as 400 or 500 knives. We understand some of these knives were re-sold to other dealers around the country. They were 5 1/8 inches in overall length. The accompanying photo shows a standard # 44 and a short frame, side by side.
Because the length difference is so small, it’s hard to tell them apart at a glance. But they are easily identified by the markings. Earlier # 44’s with Winterbottom bone handles are distinguished by one of these blade etches:
- Finest Q Stainless
- Queen Steel
- Queen Steel # 44
- No etch
The short frame # 44 carries a Queen Cutlery Co., Titusville, PA (in 2 lines) blade etch. Furthermore the short frame tang stamp is the Big Q with blade U.S.A. stamp used by Queen from 1981 through 1990. To simplify: If you see a # 44 with the 1981 through 1990 tang stamp and genuine winterbottom bone handles, you know you’re looking at a rare # 44 short frame. Just to confirm, go ahead and measure the closed length.
A new Historical Knife Spotlight is published each month. You can see past editions in the Historical Documents section of this website.
Queen Cutlery Identification Guide
Updated to version 9 (October, 2023)!
Tang Stamps – Blade Markings – Production Dates
The most comprehensive and extensively researched guide to Queen and Schatt & Morgan tang stamps and blade markings ever published has just gotten better! Version 9 (October, 2023) of the guide is now a 19 page document which displays over 100 distinct tang and blade markings used by the cutleries over a span of 126 years. Two supplements have been integrated into the Guide. One covers hatchets, razors and scissors. The other details additional brands made by Queen, Dollar Knives, Robeson and Tuna Valley.
This Guide was created by our editors and a group of collectors following the 2018 closure of Queen Cutlery. Markings on knives in their various collections, both tang stamps and blade etches, were photographed, in color and (with few exceptions) are included here.
In addition to the photos, an illustration of the stamp or etch marking is included . This is followed by a description and an accurately estimated time span during which that marking was used.
To view and download, just click the adjacent image.
Collectors Questions & Comments
Bruce B. Contacted us with a blade steel question: When did queen cutlery start using D-2 steel? And does the whittler #48 contain D-2?
QCH answered: Queen started using D2 steel in 2002. The #48CSB (carved stag bone) knives produced after that date had D2 blades.
Brian N. Asked about the bone jigging on a modern Schatt & Morgan lockback: I have a S&M swing guard lock back, 04111L, with handles that I do not know the proper term or name for. The spear point blade is stamped 2001 and etched Schatt and Morgan 1of 100. The handles are bone, the color of a overly ripe banana peel and the jigging is fine textured, almost in a narrow V shape. Can you please tell me the proper name for this handle and this type jigging? Thank you for your response.
After our team discussed this herringbone jig pattern, QCH replied: Queen produced over 100 variations of the swing guard folder over a 25 year period, beginning in 1992, including the 04111L lockback. That pattern number is specific to the Schatt & Morgan line. About 80% of these knives were either special projects or special orders, meaning just about 20% appeared in a catalog or flyer.
After our team discussed this herringbone jig pattern, QCH replied: Queen produced over 100 variations of the swing guard folder over a 25 year period, beginning in 1992, including the
04111L lockback. That pattern number is specific to the Schatt & Morgan line. About 80% of these knives were either special projects or special orders, meaning just about 20% appeared in a catalog or flyer. The variations included handle material, color and jig pattern (if any), as well as blade type (usually spear or clip). Some had a lower bolster and some were bareheaded.
It sounds as though your knife may have been one of these special orders or special project knives.
Nickolas G. wrote with questions: The #49 stockman with no tang stamp. Is this carbon steel? Why was there no tang stamp on these? Thank you for your time! This website is a fantastic resource.
QCH replied: The #49 first appeared in the 1954 catalog, long after Queen transitioned to stainless steel blades.
Tang stamps were not used from 1961 to 1971, likely dating your knife to that time period. See page 7 of the tang stamp guide.
Nickolas G. had still more questions: Thank you, Sir. When did Queen transition to Stainless? Did they only use stainless after a point? Is it a special stainless that isn’t brittle or better than most stainless? Or was this a way to save money? I did see that some if the older patterns are definitely carbon. Did they ever have this pattern in carbon with the winterbottom bone? If you can’t tell I’m new to the Queen brand. I did however visit the empty factory a few years back, during one of the GEC rendezvous.
Thank you for your time!
In closing, QCH wrote: You’re welcome. Queen started using stainless, at least in a limited way, in the mid-1920’s. After World War II most of their blades were using 440 C stainless. As mentioned earlier, the #49 pattern wasn’t introduced until 1954 or so. By that time virtually all blades were made with stainless.
If you would like to learn more, a great place to start would be Dr. David Krauss’ article, “The Rise & Fall of Queen Cutlery”, on this page.
Dave M. Used our contact form: Hello, I have a block letter Queen City hunter fixed blade I’m trying to find info on. It is not listed on the site. I can send photos. Thank you.
QCH requested a photo and received this, along with more from Dave: I’m trying to find the model number for this knife and was wondering if there were other sizes and variations. This is the basis for the GEC hunter knives and Bill Howard ran production for Queen for some time before starting GEC. Any help is appreciated
We also asked for the overall length and blade length of the knife, which we learned were 4 1/2 and 8 1/4”, respectively. Then responded: I polled the rest of our team. Some have seen knives like this but none of us own one. Queen didn’t publish catalogs until after WWII so we have no record of it.
The closest Queen pattern is the #73. I say closest because it has a flat ground blade and is bareheaded with 2 rivets and a bone handle. However your knife differs in that the blade is 1/2 inch longer and has a stamped steel, rather than cast aluminum guard.
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